tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post6479481184738247042..comments2023-10-31T08:41:20.690-04:00Comments on Poisonous Paragraphs: Dart's Top 50 G.O.A.T. Hip Hop Groups List (As Of February 11th, 2008)Dart Adamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-80904649098175472742010-01-15T07:02:11.234-05:002010-01-15T07:02:11.234-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-71520271776201656472008-02-14T16:27:00.000-05:002008-02-14T16:27:00.000-05:00whoa. i/ma gonna have to disagree on the beastie b...whoa. i/ma gonna have to disagree on the beastie boys verdict. i'd rather 3rd bass.POPShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10162625901747399835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-27080813537091610992008-02-13T11:28:00.000-05:002008-02-13T11:28:00.000-05:00Fuck it. The Basties are in at #40. You're right D...Fuck it. The Basties are in at #40. You're right Doc.<BR/><BR/>0ne.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-22616240703305129212008-02-13T08:08:00.000-05:002008-02-13T08:08:00.000-05:00@ Doc Zeus:Influence, Skill, and the fact that all...@ Doc Zeus:<BR/><BR/>Influence, Skill, and the fact that all of those groups stood out and pretty much dominated in an era where there was the most legitimate competition for groups (2nd Golden Era) all put them over the top. A new generation of emcees where listening to their joints and being inspired to write their own rhymes/make their own tracks.<BR/><BR/>The Beasties were dope in my opinion but if they ended up on the cover of Rap Pages or The Source between 1994-1999 heads were like "What the fuck?". They just missed the cut along with Salt N' Pepa.<BR/><BR/>One.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-68097181401848700862008-02-13T04:11:00.000-05:002008-02-13T04:11:00.000-05:00Dart-It's true that the Beastie fans are primarily...Dart-<BR/><BR/>It's true that the Beastie fans are primarily white rock fans and always pretty much have been, you can't ignore that the sum of their musical output is pretty much better than everybody 25 and down. Who cares if they really exist in their own little niche of space. I've always kind of admired that these guys basically run in their own lane. <BR/><BR/>I mean really though Camp Lo, Nice & Smooth, Company Flow, Digable Planets, Freestyle Fellowship, Poor Righteous Teachers, Souls Of Mischief, LONS and even the Pharcyde all had only one really good record and then never did shit, again. God bless all of them for it, though.DocZeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167201486110098029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-54949613642839854162008-02-12T16:24:00.000-05:002008-02-12T16:24:00.000-05:00@ pops:move up: fugees (only if they had recorded ...@ pops:<BR/><BR/>move up: fugees (only if they had recorded another solid or great album)<BR/><BR/>add: goodie mob (not enough quality albums, "World Party" was terrible)<BR/><BR/> black star (they only recorded one rushed album together that was extended from an EP. Even Mos and Talib don't think the Black Star album was the best they could do) <BR/><BR/>smif-n-wessun (if this album was as good as Reloaded was they would've had a shot)<BR/><BR/>capone-n-noreaga (they only had "The War Report" and the disappointing reup "The Reunion"...no chance at Top 100 forget Top 50)<BR/><BR/>little brother (they're another album away from consideration)<BR/><BR/>the LOX (their next album would have to be "It Takes A Millions To Hold Us Back" for them to gain Top 50 consideration)<BR/><BR/>One.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-53158133628061138492008-02-12T15:40:00.000-05:002008-02-12T15:40:00.000-05:00my suugestions...move up: fugeesadd: goodie mob, b...my suugestions...<BR/><BR/>move up: fugees<BR/><BR/>add: goodie mob, black star, smif-n-wessun, capon-n-noreaga, little brother, the LOXPOPShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10162625901747399835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-70228882293875081332008-02-12T15:34:00.000-05:002008-02-12T15:34:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.POPShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10162625901747399835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-72961087959487456982008-02-12T13:29:00.000-05:002008-02-12T13:29:00.000-05:00@ doczeus: While the Beasties album "Licensed To I...@ doczeus: While the Beasties album "Licensed To Ill" was well recieved, "Paul's Boutique" WASN'T. It was almost two years before anyone in Hip Hop really went back and listened to it as most heads dropped them with the Capitol move for 3rd Bass.<BR/><BR/>While "Paul's Boutique", "Check Your Head", "Ill Communication", "Root Down" and "Hello Nasty" were all damn good you can argue that past "Ill Communication" the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of their fans weren't even into Hip Hop at all. Their influence on/in Hip Hop was pretty much negligible even though they kept making quality material.<BR/><BR/>The Beasties have been getting played strictly on Pop and Rock radio since "Hey Ladies" came out...hence them not making the list.<BR/><BR/>One.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-63146217270755017592008-02-12T13:08:00.000-05:002008-02-12T13:08:00.000-05:00Beastie Boys and UGK are HUGE omissions to this li...Beastie Boys and UGK are HUGE omissions to this list...<BR/><BR/>Other than To The 5 Boroughs, they do not have a wack album. And Licensed To Ill, Paul's Boutique and Ill Communications (which is sort of a rock record but still...) are straight classic.<BR/><BR/>As for UGK, Ridin' Dirty is better than anything 80% of the rest of the rest of the list ever did. No Noz.DocZeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16167201486110098029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-39903594221865400782008-02-12T08:21:00.000-05:002008-02-12T08:21:00.000-05:00Can't argue with a man than puts WTC first.Thanks ...Can't argue with a man than puts WTC first.<BR/>Thanks for the knowledge as always,<BR/>WWWade Wordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339397218663239808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-71133165438466579882008-02-12T08:12:00.000-05:002008-02-12T08:12:00.000-05:00@ elgringocolombiano:My take on the following grou...@ elgringocolombiano:<BR/><BR/>My take on the following groups:<BR/><BR/>Cypress Hill (they made it)<BR/>Delinquent Habits (not enough of an impact overall, no one can even name a crew member)<BR/>Dilated Peoples (down at #61)<BR/>Jurassic 5 (down at #58)<BR/>Little Brother/Foreign Exchange (one more excellent album and their a lock...Onyx would be bumped off)<BR/>Lords Of The Underground (out at #69...only one great album. Their 2nd album was a major step down. Tied with the Fu-Schnickens)<BR/>Panacea/RPM (They need 3 or 4 more solid albums to get consideration)<BR/>UGK (out at #63)<BR/><BR/>Remember folks:<BR/><BR/>The Beastie Boys and Salt N' Pepa didn't even make the list!<BR/><BR/>One.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-41777968060492676932008-02-12T05:25:00.000-05:002008-02-12T05:25:00.000-05:00props on the list Dart. Not too many heads, inclu...props on the list Dart. Not too many heads, including myself, listen to enough different groups in order to compile a list like this that combines different eras & regions.<BR/><BR/>IMHO based off of a good+ discography, these groups should take some spot in the Top 50:<BR/><BR/>Cypress Hill<BR/>Delinquent Habits<BR/>Dilated Peoples<BR/>Jurassic 5<BR/>Little Brother/Foreign Exchange<BR/>Lords Of The Underground<BR/>Panacea/RPM<BR/>UGKelgringocolombianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00553884228863697716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-66303846275758677882008-02-12T00:50:00.000-05:002008-02-12T00:50:00.000-05:00nice list but would of had dilated peoples tied wi...nice list but would of had dilated peoples tied with the alcoholicsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-74749443894263900052008-02-11T23:48:00.000-05:002008-02-11T23:48:00.000-05:00Credible list. The omission of JJ Fad is startling...Credible list. The omission of JJ Fad is startling, however.Craig Belcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15244082535560577505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-71990760340950210862008-02-11T16:50:00.000-05:002008-02-11T16:50:00.000-05:00@ 2020proof:The Coup was down around #60 and had t...@ 2020proof:<BR/><BR/>The Coup was down around #60 and had the Juggaknots made more than two albums that were released damn near 10 years apart from each other they'd have made the Top 50 easy. Keep in mind that The Beastie Boys didn't even make the Top 50 after everything was finally factored in and The Artifacts and Slum Village bumped them out in the end. The Micranots and Atmosphere were both in the 60's.<BR/><BR/>One.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-34508227069856437692008-02-11T16:38:00.000-05:002008-02-11T16:38:00.000-05:00yeah, i think bone had more sales than real influe...yeah, i think bone had more sales than real influence.they got bit and what not, this is true. they also crossed over and added a pop appeal to their rap and sold. wise is still doing his thing on the solo tip despite prt not recording. gotta get the coup in there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-29719071863492923562008-02-11T16:22:00.000-05:002008-02-11T16:22:00.000-05:00@ ZKGood looks for catching the final typo of this...@ ZK<BR/><BR/>Good looks for catching the final typo of this list before I posted it. I posted the draft rather then the final list where I moved Heavy D & The Boyz up to #31. They had almost a 10 year run of hits before closing up shop for good.<BR/><BR/>I don't think that BTNH is "better" than PRT. I'd have had PRT higher but in reality Bone Thugs have had a much bigger influence than PRT even though I think they've made better overall albums in my opinion. I had to take a lot of factors into consideration when making the list and influence spoke over sales. PRT is done and Bone is STILL recording and that put them over the edge.<BR/><BR/>One.<BR/>One.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-7003256935271766492008-02-11T16:11:00.000-05:002008-02-11T16:11:00.000-05:00bone at 31 and 33... interesting. add the juggakno...bone at 31 and 33... interesting. add the juggaknots or micranots or the coup in there, or move black moon or digables up to their own spot or or or...zkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07284939882498360088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-53774659505388365892008-02-11T16:09:00.000-05:002008-02-11T16:09:00.000-05:00i have a few issues with the list. -organized konf...i have a few issues with the list. <BR/><BR/>-organized konfusion should be much higher. to come with 3 albums of that quality is insane. not to mention that prince continues to put out underground bangers and monch's first solo was classic. <BR/><BR/>- bone thugs and harmony is in no way a better group than prt. impossible. prt put out real hip hip hop, bth was just a fad in my eyes. plus you got em down twice so <BR/><BR/>- gotta go with de la over epmd. they had more vision than epmd. 3 ft, de la soul is dead, and buhloone mindstate is the greatest trilogy to open any group's career. perhaps only tribe and organized konfusion could come close to matching it. <BR/><BR/>i really love this concept, and i am all about doing lists but i think with your list it would be great to see the factors you took into consideration in some sort of visual form. see how shit was weighted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-14893214095792087312008-02-11T15:39:00.000-05:002008-02-11T15:39:00.000-05:00Das EFX were singlehandedly responsible for bringi...Das EFX were singlehandedly responsible for bringing the whole underground concept to the mainstream. They kept EPMD's entire Hit Squad/Shuma Management empire afloat with their sales and drawing power and their influence was HUGE during the 2nd Golden Era of Hip Hop. Their albums "Dead Serious", "Straight Up Sewaside" and "Hold It Down" were all classics during one the most competitive eras of Hip Hop music ever hence their ranking.<BR/><BR/>One.Dart Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878801052893199850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6420176845224246684.post-68128666511883930092008-02-11T15:21:00.000-05:002008-02-11T15:21:00.000-05:00Only one I'd beef with too much is Das EFX...I lik...Only one I'd beef with too much is Das EFX...I like them, but only three albums are worth a damn and I think the Beatnuts technically are above them in all shape and form...but that's what lists are good for, debate.Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16231982525234733675noreply@blogger.com